Goku only became on the same level as Beerus once he got UI. Who is stronger? At the height of the power weve seen them have on screen (so that's Gogeta Blue when he fought Broly) (edited by administrators) Gogeta Autonomous Ultra Instinct (ability) Autonomous Ultra Instinct Dragon Ball Super: Broly. He GODSTOMPED a beerus/mui goku level character while suppressed. MUI Goku and LB Jiren are also individualy stronger than SSB Goku and Vegeta so this doesn't make any sense. Be nice and we'll respond in kind. [–]TheShrubberyDemander 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago (14 children). Seal Team Six is tasked with infiltrating Kevin McAllister's compound and killing him. B. Whis has a complete mastery over his ultra instinct. Yeah but the manga at least seems more consistent to debate in many aspects (like the shockwave feat, which is much more clear im the manga than in the anime in my opinion), but debating the anime is fine too. © 2020 reddit inc. All rights reserved. and join one of thousands of communities. Furthermore, Full power SSJ Broly couldn’t even land a single finger on Gogeta once he used SSB. Fusion is generally> the strongest non fused character. There's also Dragon Ball Heroes but that's non-canon. Hakai has shown to be close range, far range and as energy releases. [–]Goku4869 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago* (4 children), Manga Beerus knows Ultra Instinct (Omen), and judging how full powered Broly couldn't even touch a casual Whis. Admit when you don't know. and gogeta blue is without a doubt the STRONGEST one here FAR. Vegeta got a new powerful transformation that's about equal to Blue Kaioken x20, and he used his most powerful attack against Toppo to take him out, so I wouldn't say he's far below Beerus at all. They were seriously injuring each other and would've destroyed both U6 and U7 as collateral if the Angels hadn't stepped in. Beerus said "now we're getting somewhere" about Gogeta, who Broly couldn't keep up with, showing Gogeta is starting to reach the realms of Beerus' power. Beerus shouted. this feet itself is already impressive enough for gogeta soloing this due to him being suppressed is already well above beerus and jiren so him going all out makes it a stomp. Proof that Beerus is powerful enough to one shot SSB Gogeta with hakai? Jiren fp >=< goku ultra instinct >= beerus > jiren supressed >> kaioken 20x goku >>> ssb goku The gaps are way bigger + a weaker fusion so i dont think so. Do Goku or Jiren have a counter to Hakai? If we go by anime canon, Gogeta is probably far stronger than Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken and Evolved Super Saiyan Blue since Goku and Vegeta resorted to fusion to fight Broly instead of using any of these forms, alongside with those statements. Your post will get automatically removed if it is not flaired. Jiren sacrificed and sacrificed every year, more and more of himself. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 4451 on r2-app-056d814da82db5a71 at 2020-12-24 01:58:11.803593+00:00 running 6abf2be country code: FR. Can a guy with a gun kill a bender from avatar? [–]Galaxy_Megatron 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago (13 children). Whis also says this to Vegeta when he fights Beerus in the manga and loses the fight. "Your Favorite/Least Favorite" character threads are not allowed due to lack of discussion these types of threads generate. Beerus doesn't have MUI and that puts MUI Goku in a higher tier of power than him. Ultra Instinct vs Fusion!? "Fusion. He can dodge all of Gogeta's attacks, and he can one shot him with Hakai. Beerus didn't even deny it, he just says it was only an arm wrestling competition. Until actual statements corroborate that and have actual confirmation as to where they rank it’s all a bit up in the air which is part of mystery about gods they seemed to be going for imo. But the fact is, even taking that into consideration, Jiren was set up as someone even a God of Destruction could not beat, and then got a power up on top of that. and how Goku said full power Broly is “maybe” stronger than Beerus. Report rule breaking and leave rule enforcement to the mods. And LB Jiren is almost on par with MUI Goku so again, it's basically 2 MUI level characters against Beerus and Gogeta Blue and none of them has MUI. For more information click here. Since Goku himself was nowhere near Beerus’ level of power even at his strongest form at the time which was SSBKKX20 and we both saw what happened when that form of Goku clashed with someone who was stated to be at the realm of the gods of destruction needless to say he didn’t fair very well. [Star Wars]General Grevious is made out of pure Beskar. He doesn't know exactly when they're coming, but ever since his second run in with Harry and Marv, his house in constantly boobytrapped and he's spent 28 years honing the art of being: HOME ALONE. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Goku and Vegeta are also implied to at least know just how much of a gap is between them and Beerus back in Anime RoF since they both cucked down at the mere thought of facing him and have almost faced sleepy Beerus' unrestrained attacks. This more or less establishes the fact that MUI Goku would be stronger than Beerus. There’s no actual evidence that Belmod is stronger than Beerus aside from Whis joking to which Beerus replied it was only an arm wrestle, there’s also no timescale for that and could have been when Beerus was a younger GoD and not as strong. Use your best judgment. Team 2 should take it handily. I thought there were a couple moments where he was but was stopped. Copy-pasta, Circlejerk or Meme derivative posts. Is there anything new from DBS after ToP and the Broly/Gogeta movie? I could see team 1 taking Gogeta against Goku and Jiren agaisnt Beerus. Can the US Military replace Santa Claus for one Christmas? Jiren before he went Limit Breaker was already stronger than Belmod, who might not be as strong as Beerus, but it still says alot. @takenstew22: Beerus is stronger than Toppo and it was stated Toppo hasn’t mastered destruction energy yet. UI boost is also huge but not as big as from ssj to ssb. I think it’s pretty clear SSB Gogeta is the strongest here, and fusion lasts longer than UI, so I have a hard time seeing Gogeta and Beerus lose. Don't see why Gogeta couldn't/wouldn't learn UI during the fight. Gogeta >>>>> UI Goku > Brolly >=< Jiren >=< Beerus It’s ambiguous between the last 3 however UI is stronger than all 3 but is close. Manga Beerus knows Ultra Instinct (Omen), and judging how full powered Broly couldn't even touch a casual Whis, I'm giving it to Beerus, assuming he can also use UI. This isn't his full power and is a showing of feat that jiren nor goku have. [–]armchair_science 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children). Remember, the mods are humans, and we realize you're human, too. Not to mention the diffrence between ssj and ssb. Even in the Broly Movie, Beerus was on Earth, just chillin'. It would be weird and inconsistent if he weren't stronger than Beerus. Comments consisting of a single image or gif to provoke drama or as a non-responsive reply to the thread. [–]armchair_science 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (3 children). That also happened in the anime, his power and Goku's nearly destroyed the universe, so he had to erase it. [–]armchair_science 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago (9 children). Sure it's not actually happened by anyone other than Zeno, but TOP Goku scales so far above SSG Goku that it would be a little ridiculous to assume he isn't capable of it. He wouldn't even need Blue, he could easily do it with SSJG and maybe even pull it off in a hard fought battle in SSJ3, and that's if you say MUI Goku and Beerus are equals. 1 Attack Dialogues 1.1 Super Attacks 1.2 Meteor Attack 2 Match Dialogues 2.1 Sparking 2.2 Team Dialogues 2.3 Match Reset 2.4 Shenron 3 Miscellaneous Dialogues 3.1 Character Selection 3.2 Intro 3.3 Victory 3.4 Defeat 3.5 Results Screen 4 Navigation An asterisk (*) detonates that character has two different lines. Since LSSJ Broly is on Beerus' level, then yeah, SSJB Gogeta would have a win here. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: Find a flair you like, click it, and send the message it brings you to exactly as-is. All posts must be flaired. UI only lasted for a few minutes and Gogeta already played around with a Jiren level fighter. Was that confirmed? Assuming Gogeta will have the same Goku as the Goku in the other team he stomps. You're allowed to repost but look to your left first. By TOP universe busting isn't even that impressive. Going by your logic Beerus should be able to erase all of them so that shouldn’t be an issue for him. B. Whis has a complete mastery over his ultra instinct. ... TC always insists SSB Fusions are weaker as a whole in the franchise and REREAD the title. C. Ultra instinct doesn’t make you untouchable even the completed version as evidenced by MUI Goku vs LB Jiren. Beerus is undoubtedly weaker than Jiren and Goku and Gogeta is hard to gauge where he would place. Disruptive gimmick accounts will be first warned then removed. Team 1 with Gogeta has the MVP. C. Ultra instinct doesn’t make you untouchable even the completed version as evidenced by MUI Goku vs LB Jiren. And has Beerus never used his full power in the anime? Can he win against all the Jedi that he lost to? Beerus should be much stronger than both sidra and toppo. Beerus is all hype and weird percentages regarding his power. Jiren was set up as a person who has surpassed the GoD of his own universe and with no real statements or feats as to how that GoD ranks with the rest and could have been the weakest GoD for all we know. Beerus is too lazy for all of that. I’m gonna say Goku and Jiren wins base on feats and power implication and skills, Beerus and Gogeta By Hype. I didn't read the Manga yet so I can't say anything about this. Yes. Not an easy match up for Gogeta. and if you add beerus here who has million+ years exp, Hakai and also incomplete ultra instinct than team 1 absolute destroys team 2 with mid to low diff, the only problem team 1 will be facing is mui gokus dodge hacks. I'm not sure what the anime equivalent to that was. Or a fusion with Ultra Instinct. Broly didn’t reach full power until his fight with SSJ Gogeta. The anime is quite weird as the shockwaves had bizarre properties were growing stronger and stronger and Old Kai said that everyone, including Beerus and Goku would perish, Beerus also said he needed 100% of his power to stop the shockwaves (he could be lying but keep in mind the bizarre properties of the shockwave). You can be banned for a first offense. Well, the movie hinted at him having to use 80% to fight Goku, and 100% to stop a universe busting attack. He was even ready to erase Goku at one point, without the need to even power up. [–]Georgepaul4k 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (0 children). Well, Kefla was struggling with regular UI Goku. Spoilers - : [Text Text Text](#spoil "Hidden text"), Mobile-Friendly Spoilers - How to input: [Spoil](/s "text"), MegaMeta - Compilation of Approved [Meta] Posts, Character of the Week/Team of the Month Archive. We issue warnings if we believe the user means well but we are not obligated to do so. [–]SSG_Goten 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (2 children). [–]KingPWNinater 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (1 child). @thekappa78: eh, it was not supposed to mean gogeta ssj > Jiren or UI lol. Ultra Instinct Goku is stronger than SSJB Gogeta Dragon Ball - General ... things even more confusing and complicated by bringing in Merus in a debate that was about the anime version of UI Goku vs Beerus. So I’ll ask again in case I wasn’t being clear last time do you have any feats that suggest that Beerus is capable of erasing the likes of SSB Gogeta? Beerus and Champa showed that just by fighting the universe was going to be destroyed. Beerus is a weak link. And there you go. Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta vs Ultra Instinct Goku. its to big and add ssb to it , it turns to an unholy stomp in favor of gogeta. I don’t remember seeing that in the movie (though it’s been a while). Not an easy match up for Gogeta. Not to mention, that Beerus would need to go through Whis, Zeno's guards, then the Grand Priest before he'd even have a chance to face off against Zeno. (Christmas). To submit a battle, click the Goku vs Superman (or Doom vs Vader) button above. This now includes "You vs" posts as of 29/10/2018; details on why are included in this modpost. Within a minute, /u/WWWtron will have assigned you your shiny new flair. Distasteful posts for the sake of being "edgy". re: Ultra Instinct Goku vs Gogeta Blue quote Vegetto Blue The Saikyo Jump editorial office tells readers: "Frankly, the enemy Goku … Yes because arm wrestles are a lot different than an actual fight and when Beerus refuted it was actually a lot calmer than how he’d react if it wasn’t true. The feat you are talking is a space-time warping feat from what I can see, it is pretty impressive but Majin Buu did a similar thing way back in the Buu Arc (althought that dimension was already connected to Earth), but this time is much more casual too. [–]CantStopTheRob 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (0 children). While all fusions have immense power, Gogeta's power is abnormal even by regular standards, as Vegeta and Goku's intense rivalry has brought out an exceptional power. [–]armchair_science 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (1 child). Ssj vegito was massively stronger than potential unleashed Gohan. Not saying I agree but people like to bring up the point that Kefla could have killed UI Goku, and while yes this is a fully developed ultra instinct that is leaps and bounds over his previous version, a fusion between Goku and Vegeta would also be leaps and bounds above Kefla especially post ToP fusion between the two. Subreddit vs Subreddit posts or other posts looking to get a rise out of other online communities (Tumblr, 4chan, etc, etc). Hakai was never used on frieza or goku it was just a small ammount of GoD energy that was overcome. Only the Manga. We encourage the upvoting of all relevant content and have a wide definition of what's acceptable. More like he is scared to death of them and is incapable of doing anything to them or at least that’s the case as far as Whis and his dad and Zeno are concerned. I think team 2 can take it mainly because of Jiren. But we've never had an accurate scale for it. Hakai has shown to be negated by being stronger, this was shown by Frieza, Goku and Vegeta. Fusion also allowed Goten and trunks to fight way above their individual level that was a significantly bigger boost than any transformation. Team 2 stomps, Gogeta needs a better teammate. Three weakest, they had three gods in that one. And that was before his power boost. I was using the manga because of the movie's odd continuity including them both. Factually Jiren is stronger than Belmod yes but aside from that everything else is headcanon or theory until proven otherwise. It MIGHT have even surpassed beerus", the picture doesnt mean anything. re: Ultra Instinct Goku vs Gogeta Blue quote GohanAntifan93 Gogeta Blue > Super Saiyan Full Power Broly > Super Saiyan Gogeta >Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku > Jiren > Ultra Instinct Goku @sup3rn0va: what makes jiren stronger than beerus? As for MUI Goku and SSB Gogeta I think MUI Goku can take it because of his speed and reaction time which is pretty much the best we've seen in Dragon Ball yet. 0. [–]armchair_science 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago (0 children). [–]SSG_Goten 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children). If you see a large number of posts about a character, try someone else. Gogeta is on a whole over level though. The only thing ultra instinct has over beerus is speed and the auto dodge hax, even then jiren was able to bypass that for a moment due to his strength being absolute and all that shit. I am pretty sure Universal busting is still impressive on the ToP, if we are going the manga, the feat is only multi galactic level because it was a combined feat by Goku and Beerus that would be a threat to the universe's existence eventually and the timeframe was also never specified. [–]Galaxy_Megatron 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago (15 children). Rendered by PID 4451 on r2-app-056d814da82db5a71 at 2020-12-24 01:58:11.803593+00:00 running 6abf2be country code: FR. In the anime, the emphasis for Jiren's strength was that he was so powerful that a God of Destruction who was stronger than Beerus could not defeat him. Sure hes stronger than HIS GoD but that doesn't mean Belmod is stronger than Beerus. Try outlining arenas, special conditions, multiple rounds and specifying the universe/version of characters if you're looking for a good discussion. unknowingly downplay. Beerus never used his full power in the anime? Jiren in his base form is already GoD tier and his final form well exceeds any GoD. Not an easy match up for Gogeta. I can see Gogeta defeating the other team, especially with the help of Beerus. it means the jump from ssj to ssb is bigger than ssb to jiren or UI. team 1 wins, ultra instinct mastered only lasts for a minute lol, beerus also has ultra instinct but imperfect. Regardless, Jiren has far better showings imo. In reality Beerus’ actual power is something they’ve kept ambiguous so that when they do use him they can say that he was always that strong at full power so there’s no asspull, it also seems very unlikely that if Beerus was ever surpassed by Goku that they’d make such a little deal like they did (yes UI was impressive and all that but no statements were made confirming strength and Beerus was most likely just impressed Goku achieved such a form). Beerus is unquantifiable, but it would be a safe bet to assume he's below Jiren. Even with a power boost it wouldn’t automatically make him stronger or on the same level as the other GoDs because the power gaps would vary, e.g Goku getting SSJ1 was impressive because he surpassed Frieza but that same SSJ1 wouldn’t have compared to the androids or Perfect Cell. He can dodge all of Gogeta's attacks, and he can one shot him with Hakai. Apologies go a long way if you mess up. VIEW OLDER REPLIES. we have never seen beerus at full power but according to the manga him and quitela are strongest of the 12, ultra instinct mastered was implied to have surpassed beerus in a shonen jump magazine but that was never fully executed in the actual episode. Be nice. in the V jump magazine it was stated that mastered ultra instinct goku MIGHT have surpassed beerus. can earth ( marvel ) survive a a tyranid invasion, 3 minmaxed Skyrim stealth archers vs the sly cooper trilogy. Ohh and Beerus ain’t no weak link here erase that idea especially while bloodlust with no Hakai restriction. And we've seen him do it with extreme ease. No one expects you to be a genius when it comes to every aspect of every character. There's also those that claim Goku doesn't know Beerus' full power, although from a manga standpoint that's false as Beerus had no reason to hold back in the God of Destruction battle royale, which Goku witnessed. For a guide on flairing and how to filter out flairs you don't like, click here. Gogeta is the Metamoran Fusion of Goku and Vegeta, formed save the entire DBS Multiverse from jeopardy. unknowingly downplay. A.Whis is way more powerful than Beerus is. There's some dispute about translation, but I think "probably" is the correct term used. A full powered MUI Goku might be an annoyance but Beerus just needs to outlast him. Include detail when posting. Mastered UI Goku overpowered Jiren, it would completely destroy Kefla if they fought again. re: Ultra Instinct Gogeta vs Whis Whis sleeps on the likes of Broly and Beerus so if he puts any effort into the UI Gogeta fight at all it would be low-diff. So he does have an actual scale, thinking about it. You can't call it headcanon, even if you want to question how strong Whis's conviction was there. We were given literal, direct statements to it. Threads asking how X character would do with a Y-Colored Lantern Ring are not allowed. BattleSSB Gogeta vs Beerus (self.whowouldwin). Downvoting will never be allowed on this sub. Gogeta wasn't even using his full power against broly and Goku even says he might be stronger than beerus. He was likely at full power when he fought Champa after the baseball game. Honestly, there's no reason not to believe him entirely, he was talking seriously about the matter. "Ultra Instinct Goku is … Check out our Official Submission Template for a few suggestions on how you can structure your battle with additional conditions and formatting to make it more interesting. He has got serious in the anime a few times (only when fighting with Champa) but we have never even been given a reference or a hint to anywhere near his full power. A.Whis is way more powerful than Beerus is. Cept this doesn't happen in the anime, so Goku did not actually know Beerus's full power. He wasn't even scared by Broly's power, to the point where he just chilled with Bulla all day. And it pissed me off that they didn't have their unique stuff. Posts must be some form of battle, competition, or challenge or they are considered off-topic/META and should go in our weekly off-topic discussion posts. Same with Champa. Poll Gogeta and Beerus vs MUI Goku and LB Jiren (59 votes) Team 1 68% . Well, at least in the anime but if the power of the two people fighting is comparable, it will still work, as shown when Goku used it on Zamasu (Goku's hakai is inferior to Beerus's one too). ssj gogeta was already >> ssb goku and vegeta. Any posts that do not promote evidence-based debate. "Gogeta!" Don't downvote. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. [–]KingPWNinater 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (3 children), "There isn't anything that Lord Beerus can't destroy", [–]Goku4869 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago* (2 children). MUI runs out quite fast. That should say just how good Jiren's reputation is. As for Gogeta learning UI during the fight, it's too uncertain to consider. [–]Jamano-Eridzander 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children). and how Beerus was finessing multiple gods of destruction at once in the manga, I would say it’s fairly obvious. Gogeta was pushed to Blue by Broly, who MIGHT BE stronger than Beerus based only on the power Goku saw of Beerus. Also arguing for Gogeta blue, he clashed with broly broke the boundries of reality and got placed in another dimension until they clashed back in. there is not even one statement where is says jiren> beerus, it was later retconned from the V jump magazine. Being able to destroy 2 universes in one shot is literally the requirement of being 2-C. He can dodge all of Gogeta's attacks, and he can one shot him with Hakai. [–]SSG_Goten 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (4 children). Furthermore, If Beerus was truly capable of destroying anything his reaction to Zeno wouldn’t be like this. we know broly is possibly stronger than beerus and gogeta absolutely finnesed the hell out of him which also means he's far above the gods including beerus. Beerus using UI is not canon, the fight of the Gods of Destruction battle royale was not canon, in the anime they never stated whether Beerus can use Ultra Instinct … Not only his he skilled, he has abilities that can destroy both of them with ease. UI Beerus + Hakai form is a force to be reckoned with, that I think alot of people on this sub unknowingly downplay. Comments that are a few words and contribute no actual discussion ('lol' or '___ stomps'). [–]Galaxy_Megatron 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (3 children). See more ideas about dragon ball, dragon ball z, gogeta and vegito. After all Beerus needs to be more powerful Gogeta for Gogeta to be unable to resist his hakai. @alextheboss: I don't agree with Broly being stronger than LB Jiren, but yeah he's atleast in the same tier. Beerus also stopped the universe 7 destruction, I'd say that's pretty high showings compared to Jiren at least. There's also those that claim Goku doesn't know Beerus' full power, although from a manga standpoint that's false as Beerus had no reason to hold back in the God of Destruction battle royale, which Goku witnessed. It was confirmed that Ultra Instinct Goku is stronger than the Gods of Destruction including Beerus Wrong. Characters weaker than Jiren and UI Goku like Golden Frieza and SSJBE Vegeta have resisted Hakai. It's really simple. that statement was replaced by beerus was " What an Unbelievable guy", so if beerus is in mui goku level and that goku defeated jiren than its pretty obvious that beerus> jiren. Meruem (Hunter X Hunter) Vs Chainsaw Man (Chainsaw Man). Beerus was terrified of a Jiren who wasn’t even showing a hint of his true power does that mean heavily suppressed Jiren > Beerus then? Beerus literally stopped the destruction afterwards. it was referring mui with the text being " Gokus hair and aura starts to glow SILVER. He was even ready to erase Goku at one point, without the need to even power up. If you do not properly flair your post, or reply incorrectly to a post because you didn't know the difference between 'Battle' and 'Scan-Battle', you agree to forfeit to us your soul in perpetuity or another soul of equal or greater value. Instead of the GoD battle royale, the anime had an exhibition match between the two weakest universes, U7 and U9 (the one with the dog trio). Not to mention, that Beerus would need to go through Whis, Zeno's guards, then the Grand Priest before he'd even have a chance to face off against Zeno. @sup3rn0va: the clash only happened because goku could control his ki hitting beerus, not raw power. Krillin is a human from Earth and one of the characters … Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. 1 Attack Dialogues 1.1 Super Attacks 2 Match Dialogues 2.1 Sparking 2.2 Team Dialogues 2.3 Match Reset 2.4 Shenron 3 Miscellaneous Dialogues 3.1 Character Selection 3.2 Intro 3.3 Victory 3.4 Results Screen 4 Navigation An asterisk (*) detonates that character has two different lines. I have no doubt that a bloodlusted beerus would just start erasing everyone and everything including the universe he's in. Meta posts, multi-part tournaments, and other non-conventional posts require mod approval. @takenstew22: Considering Vegeta alone is stronger than Toppo. Team 1. Is Gogeta strong enough to take out the GoD? As with posts, the comments are not a place to promote a political or social agenda. Meaning Broly, and Jiren are non factors in this fight as neither of them have any hax. Even in the Broly Movie, Beerus was on Earth, just chillin'. Goku has stated in the movie that Broly maybe even more powerful than Beerus which should place Broly at the realm of the gods destruction and Gogeta absolutely stomped him with a smile on his face. Comments that are memes for the sake of memes will be removed as well. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. [–]Goku4869 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago* (0 children). Assuming unlimited fusion time, I'm going team 1. Joke posts, or posts that are primarily humurous in nature, are not allowed. Also proof that Beerus has a big enough power advantage over SSB Gogeta for Gogeta to be unable to overcome his imperfect ultra instinct through sheer power like Jiren did against MUI Goku. They don't individually scale to their combined power output unless you mean Beerus's power is equal to Beerus's and … Though Gogeta probably has more raw power. If you're going to repost try to broaden or change the discussion to keep it fresh. Do not be insulting or derogatory towards others under any circumstances, and don't resort to ad hominem attacks. Even the fully mastered state of the gods, Ultra Instinct, falls short to the jewel of universe eleven. Unsure of a good way to make your fight more interesting than just "X Character vs. Y Character"? Weaker characters than them have resisted some form of Hakai. We have MUI Goku>Jiren>Belmod>Beerus 100%>>>>>The amount of Beerus's power Goku saw = or < Broly, who immediately pushed Gogeta to Blue once he went LJSS, so MUI Goku >>>>> SSB Gogeta. We have seen the Hakai technique being overpowered in the show itself. And even though Gogeta Blue can give Jiren a legit challenge in his base form, he gets completely outclassed against LB. No, never, not even remotely close. Users may not make more than 5 Posts per day. Posts with a clear political or social agenda. Send us a message we'd love to help you with your thread. He wasn't even scared by Broly's power, to the point where he just chilled with Bulla all day. Yeah I try and stay away from the managa unless it was specified simply because of the numerous changes from the anime. nonetheless every else is fine. Beerus' Hakai won't be landing on both Goku and Jiren cause of their massively superior reaction speeds. It makes no difference when going up against Jiren now. Anime-wise, he could have been surpassed (well, he has by Jiren and UI Goku but I meant by Goku Blue Kaio-ken x20/Vegeta Blue Evolution) or he could simply be 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times stronger than he is right now, we simply just don't know. 0. 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